Living in the 21st century. Honestly, I think the gutter can be better than all the crap we eat by walking sheep-like on the street. But then, this is nothing but the Rhetorical-antiSocial. It's still just crap, only a different hand on the shovel..... I say the most important thing is a smile .... and thats it. -T

Friday, March 09, 2007

Edit ... sort of

I have been informed by certain parties that my previous post has a number of wrong points in it. I would like to stress that this was my perspective on the issue at the time, using all of the information available to me.

I'm not going to change or remove the post, or discuss the details that were wrong here. Thats more of a personal issue, and just because I speak on my blog about some things, doesn't mean I have to air all of my laundry out here.

I have since had a discussion with an Individual that was technically on the opposite side of the event, although I am hesitant to use sides here as it makes the whole thing seem more trivial and catty than I think it is.

The end result of this was something we both agreed on and something I have in fact been presenting along with the story whenever I tell it. Both sides handled it badly in their own way. B should have canceled earlier, and should have confronted A with the other issues involved months earlier. This is obvious, and I think everyone agrees on that point.

The issue I have now is whether or not I should have understanding and feel empathy for A and their side of the story. What I have been presented with is a scenario in which A's intentions were good, thinking that bringing evidence to B that would allow B to go along with the plan that A assumed B really wanted to do, but couldn't because of false information. Unfortunately, A presented their findings in a manner that just pushed B further away and didn't solve anything.

I can't forget A's past activities, and I am sorry to the Individual for that. It is of course commendable that the Individual is willing to give A understanding, benefit of the doubt, and in many ways a clean slate, but that is not something that I feel obligated in anyway to do. I have informed the Individual of this.

As A is very fond of saying, only they can know the truth of their intentions and actions. Since I am not privy to A's thoughts and feelings (being another person entirely), all I have to then go on is the impression that A left with B and I on "that fateful Thursday night" (quotes cus' inside I'm also laughing at the whole thing). I think it's pretty obvious what I think of that impression, and the short of it is that A fucked it up.

So, the question remains as to whether or not I should forgive A for screwing up due to the fact that A is telling me that their intentions were good. A, I have been around you for a few years now, and I am not basing my opinion on this one incident. Your track record, in my eyes, speaks for its self. I feel that I have supported and/or forgiven you your activities and screw ups in my own way for a while now. This issue is relatively small when placed against the background of the rest of my relationship with you.

Since fairness is such an important issue for some of us, I ask then is it fair that I should have to be around someone that makes me unhappy? Should I have to jump on repairing a relationship with someone that I feel has poisoned my living and emotional environments? I don't think thats very fair to me, or to B.

This doesn't mean that I hate you. It pretty much means that I just don't want to interact with you for an in determinant period of time.

I don't think this is unfair.

8 Comments:

Blogger Lady Cora Ling said...

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I commend you for sticking by the woman in your life. If you feel that being around 'A' is not the best for you, of course you must comply with that. No one should force you to be around someone that makes you feel bad. And if 'B' feels the same way then they must also comply with this.

Sometimes people who try so hard to work together, simply cannot get over their differences. 'A' did only have the best intentions and cared very much for 'B'. But you are right in saying that this is not the first incident, on either side.

People can only do their best. Unfortunately, at times, even the best intentions simply cannot work. I do not think that either 'A' or 'B' meant in anyway to intentionally hurt the other, but being friends, will do so. Some people can deal with problems that arise and move past them; some cannot. Again this does not ean that either party it more wrong then the other; it simply means that the two parties cannot work together in a way that is benefitial to both parties.

And that is the most important thing about being friends. A relationship, of any kind, must be a two way street in which both feel that they are benefiting from the relationship itself. There will be compromise; there will be times of issue; there will be times where one side cannot give as much as the other. We are all human and we will all live through changes in our lives. Some friendships can change with the lives of the two parties;some cannot. Unfortunately that is the way of life.

I wish both you and the lady in your life only the best. Take care of each other and learn to grow and change together. Learn from your mistakes and move forward not needing to justify your choices to anyone else; they are yours to make.

11:21 a.m.

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to point out in "A"s defense, that if B were to flat out say that he or she is uncomfortable in a situation, he/she should, as humans do, communicate this to whomever is presenting said uncomforable situation. If B had already said "yes" to this favour, I fail to see how this is person A's fault, because as far as A knew there were no such issues with the the plan that was to go down. Person B -should- have said "No" if he or she was uncomfortable with a situation. Not only does saying yes to the favour that he/she didn't want to perform make B uncomfortable when the favour is being fulfilled AND automatically make B irritated with A for the time until and after the favour is to be fulfilled, putting MORE completly unncessesary stress on the relationship but by saying no at the last minute after saying yes causes MORE feuding between A and B, which could have been completely non-existant had B communicated with A that he/she did not feel comfortable with that decision. Furthermore, the reasoning is completely secondary to the problem. B didn't feel well, didn't have time, or just flat out didn't want to. B should have addressed A and shouldn't have said yes if they didn't really WANT to or have, in the end, the intention of fulfilling the plan. You say "B relucantly says yes", implying that B didn't actually want to do this favour. The fact that B simply could not confront A about this makes me question what kind of "relationship" was had at all. In addition, the fact that B has completely abandonded A and will not hear anything of anything makes me think that this is something completely different; B needs to learn to communicate and learn how to say NO when he or she is thinking NO. It would seem that you are using the fact that B 'cannot say no' to your advantage. If I were a mentally ill killer would it not still be my fault if I killed someone? "Oh, but because I'm crazy it's not my fault"? Though I "understand" your bias against A, it can't be compaired to this situation because it's completely irrelivant. In concluision, B has the right to be upset because A put him/her in an uncomfortable situation. But B does NOT have the right to be resentful of A, because B did NOT communicate this discomfort to A.

10:45 p.m.

 
Blogger elchupacabra~! said...

I would apreciate, if you are going to post on my blog, please make sure you read all relavant posts and actually understand the situation presented to you. Anonamous is bad enough, but posting in ignorance is just plane sad.

So, in responce, a few points:

1) The blog entry I posted most recently CLEARLY STATES THAT THERE WERE ISSUES WITH THE LAST BLOG THAT I'M NOT BRINGING UP - as indicated by the quote:
"I have been informed by certain parties that my previous post has a number of wrong points in it. I would like to stress that this was my perspective on the issue at the time, using all of the information available to me .... Thats more of a personal issue, and just because I speak on my blog about some things, doesn't mean I have to air all of my laundry out here"

2) If you actually read and rememberd what I posted, I ALREADY FUCKING SAID ALL OF YOUR BULLSHIT - as indicated by the quote:
"B should have canceled earlier, and should have confronted A with the other issues involved months earlier. This is obvious, and I think everyone agrees on that point"

In conclusion, if you're going to fucking read my blog, then fucking READ MY BLOG. If you are going to respond, then respond relative to the post that you're reading. Nothing you said had anything at all to do with the post you left the comment under, which actually makes you seem like an idiot.

Oh yeah, and fuck you and your anonymous bullshit.

10:35 a.m.

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You misunderstand my point, I'm not criticizing your blog post, but the parties invovled themselves. And despite your new understanding of the situation, your self-proffessed new understanding at that, you're still letting the situation be ignored by B when it should be dealt with. This "non confrontation" was the reason the situation arose in the first place. That's not to say both parties should kiss and make up, but that if they do or don't want to work things out, it should atleast be talked about.

12:18 p.m.

 
Blogger David Cline said...

given the sad abilities of both parties at confrontation, and while I agree that you should confront someone when they anger you, it's not going to get better than this. I think we should be happy at the fact that there's a somewhat mature ending to all this.

1:59 p.m.

 
Blogger elchupacabra~! said...

Thank you modera for a nice end to this train wreck. I'm really really sick of talking about it, but I feel that I need to put in this last post before I lay the issue to rest. I just got myself out of a whole, squirming mess o' dramma, and I'm not about to get myself into a new one. Everything is starting to quiet down now, just the way it should be.

Anonymous, if you are a friend of mine, I'm not going to hate you just for getting me all riled up. I will say that Amanda and I are dealing with things in our own way, and that you don't get to know the details of that. Please don't assume anything about the way we are handling this, because you really don't know (and it makes an Ass of U and Me. Yeah, I went there...)

8:57 a.m.

 
Blogger trevor said...

i hadn't read blogs in a while, and haven't commented on any except this one (since it's the last one on my list).

to everything on this topic, these comments, all topics on all other blogs, all comments on all other blogs, and life in general, i say this:
"squishy"

8:11 a.m.

 
Blogger elchupacabra~! said...

wow ... I really need to change this blog

We're way past this now ....

8:27 a.m.

 

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